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  happy memories of my father

  by refiners fire in

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  something that happened with an ex dub friend of mine prompted this post.he finally wrote a letter to his elder father telling him how he really felt.i read the assorted corespondences.. in the letter to his father my friend mentioned that he could only remember 1 instance where father and son spent quality time together.. they spent an afternoon (1 afternoon)flying a kite down at the park.. that was the only pleasure incident he could remember with his dad.. i wept and wept reading that.

  for it reminded me of my own dad.. i could barely remember any pleasure incidents either.. my father and i went on 3 camping trips, when i was a teenager.. we did that together.

  all the rest of my memories were of him compelling me to do things i didnt want to do.. this causes me to wonder if this is a phenomena unique to the dubs.. no memory of quality time spent with your dad.

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  refiners fire

  There is one thing to think about though.
  Your parents, in their own twisted way, still care about you.
  If they didnt...they wouldnt have you living with them.
  They are trying,in their own sick way, to be there for you.

  It must be a pain though, having them snooping on you.
  I had tremendous trouble with my dad. searching under my bed, underneath drawers, under the house even, looking for forbidden material that God might not approve of.
  One of our biggest issues,between us, was comic books.
  Believe it or not.I used to read Marvel comics when I was a kid, Captain America and Spiderman etc.
  One day he read a comic I had called "Thor".He decided this was worshipping false Gods and banned ALL comics. Of course, I defied him and sneaked them into the house. He always caught me. Lord!
  I got some beatings over those comics.
  The thing is, I dont think my father, in and of himself, would have worried about comic books. He was taking action because he thought God had a problem with them. He didnt want Satan entering in thru the backdoor.In his own way, he was causing me suffering to protect me from the devil.
  follow?
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  happy memories of my father

  by refiners fire in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  something that happened with an ex dub friend of mine prompted this post.he finally wrote a letter to his elder father telling him how he really felt.i read the assorted corespondences.. in the letter to his father my friend mentioned that he could only remember 1 instance where father and son spent quality time together.. they spent an afternoon (1 afternoon)flying a kite down at the park.. that was the only pleasure incident he could remember with his dad.. i wept and wept reading that.

  for it reminded me of my own dad.. i could barely remember any pleasure incidents either.. my father and i went on 3 camping trips, when i was a teenager.. we did that together.

  all the rest of my memories were of him compelling me to do things i didnt want to do.. this causes me to wonder if this is a phenomena unique to the dubs.. no memory of quality time spent with your dad.

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  refiners fire

  Flower,neither boring, nor ridiculous, you really should contact your brothers,and kin though,they are going to come through for you. I know it.They have for me. Unfortunately with some of them it has taken 20 years for them to open up and reveal themselves. I have a 44 year old brother who I hated when I was younger,but over the past 12 months he has started opening his doors to me and Ive discovered that he had big issues just like I did. He just wasnt ready to speak until recently.
  Nowadays he rolls up on my doorstep at 2am, or suchlike,drunk, and wanting to talk over his issues.Sometimes he comes sober, like yesterday and we talked near on 5 hours about general things.
  He is becoming a friend of mine.
  I have another brother, younger than me, the family baby,who I see all the time,and his nice wife.I stay there on a regular basis and my own son idolizes his "uncle mark".Both these brothers have helped me out with work and jobs at various times.
  Family are USEFUL.

  I knew what you meant when you said that your father was a pig but everyone in the congregation thought him a golden god.
  Same here. My father was highly admired by men,an Elder that other elders consulted, but to me he was a brute.But in many ways he was a product of the Organization. That organization brings out the worst in people.My father was a sex sleaze as well. He tried to screw my first wife. She told me about it and I was powerless,at the time to react, my 44 year old brother told me the same thing about his wife. When the youngest brother got married (mark) there was an incident at the wedding. During the family photograph shoot the bride suddenly went rigid and gasped out. Mark turned around and saw that our father was stood behind her and he knew what was going down. He just grabbed the old man around the throat and I have never seen such hate on a human face.The old bastard had put his hand on her behind and was fondling her!
  Can you believe it?
  The friend I was talking about in the first post,the kite story person, is called Rob.
  His parents are still in the church,and they see him very seldom.
  They came to visit Rob a few months ago now, just rolled up on his door step and they stayed for 9 weeks. During their stay Rob learnt that they were searching his personal possessions and room when he was at work.One evening his parents confronted him with the Bible and a dirty video that they had found in one of his bedside drawers!
  He went mad with rage.
  The parents were nonplussed and completely convinced they had a right to search his possessions for signs of sinful inclination. The guy is 40 years old and hasnt lived at home for 20 years.
  He kicked them out eventually.
  They quote the same scriptures at him that, it appears, your oldies quote at you.They seem to be of the opinion that he must obey them, honour them, no matter WHAT they do.Even if they ransack his bedroom
  it is okay in Gods eyes because they are his parents.
  Sheesh! Maybe I should give you Robbies E mail and you can talk to him.
  While they stayed with him, there cropped up an issue about food.
  The parents became offended because they felt he wasnt providing the standard of food quality to which the Mother was accustomed.
  Rob went thru THEIR bedroom one afternoon (while they were out and after theyd gone thru his room)and he found a suitcase full of delicasies.The parents were secretly consuming desirable foods in the bedroom but would not put them in the fridge, so noone else could have any.
  This after they had been sponging off the fat of his generosity for 6 weeks.
  I could go on and on....
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  Post traumatic stress symptom

  by Nicolas in

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  i was searching informations about stress because i'm a really stressed person and i found out this site.

  it talk about the reactions of a someone who have lived a stressful events.

  http://members.aol.com/namangel1/trauma.html here is what they say:" 1. what is trauma?

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  refiners fire

  Elijah the turd.
  You deserve eternal misery for posting such a disgusting response.
  You are trash. Scum. Filth.You think YOUR goin up in the rapture?! You are dead wrong pal.Your stayin here durin the antiChrist reign.
  I hope he fucks your brain over real bad.You deserve it.
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  happy memories of my father

  by refiners fire in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  something that happened with an ex dub friend of mine prompted this post.he finally wrote a letter to his elder father telling him how he really felt.i read the assorted corespondences.. in the letter to his father my friend mentioned that he could only remember 1 instance where father and son spent quality time together.. they spent an afternoon (1 afternoon)flying a kite down at the park.. that was the only pleasure incident he could remember with his dad.. i wept and wept reading that.

  for it reminded me of my own dad.. i could barely remember any pleasure incidents either.. my father and i went on 3 camping trips, when i was a teenager.. we did that together.

  all the rest of my memories were of him compelling me to do things i didnt want to do.. this causes me to wonder if this is a phenomena unique to the dubs.. no memory of quality time spent with your dad.

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  refiners fire

  flower power
  I thought your post was great.
  Had a look at your website too. Nice little boy.
  I feel very angry about the way you are feeling.Nobody deserves to be treated in such a way.Nobody deserves to feel trapped in a situation they cant escape from.Trapped by financial necessity.
  Thought about your standing up to your (so called) father, you are 29?
  Look at it this way, my friend was 40 before he told Daddy how he felt.Course his daddy deserved his sons wrath, as yours does.My friends father loves to quote the old testament at his kids in order to get them to be fawningly subservient, "death to the child that does not honor his father" type stuff.
  This man has 4 grown children and he cant understand why NONE of his kids wants anything to do with him. As they sow, thus shall they reap, flower.
  Im a little concerned about you, Frankly, I dont like the idea you feel depressed. Hey, Email me. I mean it.
  Address is right there under my name on the post.

  Thought about your typed entry cutting out too. Are you on dial up internet? may be a time limit on how long you can linger in one place imposed by your internet supplier. I suggest you ,while typing your post,keep occassionaly goin back into a website and move around a little to beat their timing check. LOL.
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  happy memories of my father

  by refiners fire in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  something that happened with an ex dub friend of mine prompted this post.he finally wrote a letter to his elder father telling him how he really felt.i read the assorted corespondences.. in the letter to his father my friend mentioned that he could only remember 1 instance where father and son spent quality time together.. they spent an afternoon (1 afternoon)flying a kite down at the park.. that was the only pleasure incident he could remember with his dad.. i wept and wept reading that.

  for it reminded me of my own dad.. i could barely remember any pleasure incidents either.. my father and i went on 3 camping trips, when i was a teenager.. we did that together.

  all the rest of my memories were of him compelling me to do things i didnt want to do.. this causes me to wonder if this is a phenomena unique to the dubs.. no memory of quality time spent with your dad.

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  refiners fire

  Something that happened with an ex dub friend of mine prompted this post.He finally wrote a letter to his Elder father telling him how he really felt.I read the assorted corespondences.
  In the letter to his father my friend mentioned that he could only remember 1 instance where father and son spent quality time together.
  They spent an afternoon (1 afternoon)flying a kite down at the park.
  That was the only pleasure incident he could remember with his dad.
  I wept and wept reading that.
  For it reminded me of my own dad.
  I could barely remember any pleasure incidents either.
  My father and I went on 3 camping trips, when I was a teenager.
  We did that together.
  All the rest of my memories were of him compelling me to do things I didnt want to do.
  This causes me to wonder if this is a phenomena unique to the dubs.
  No memory of quality time spent with your dad.
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  What does HYPOCRITE mean?

  by flower in

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  having every excuse why its ok for certain witnesses to dismiss whichever rules they choose.. y-.

  yelling, arguing, fighting, abuse, and all the other 'unchristianlike' conduct that goes on behind closed doors.

  power hungry elders.

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  refiners fire

  I can feel a story coming on...here it is.
  Dear Daddy elder man got up giving a public talk one Sunday and it was about caring for the spiritual welfare of our own families.
  He couldnt stop looking at me all through the talk,at the same time he couldnt bear to look at me, because my eyes shouted "Hypocrite".
  When he was telling all the brothers with responsibilities in the cong
  not to neglect their family study he practically shrivelled up with shame.
  Of course, the very next week a family study was rekindled. It lasted 2 weeks.
  Thats Hypocrisy.

  This prompts me to post a topic....
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  Baptismal Questions - why the change?

  by teejay in

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  i was baptized on march 17, 1974. on that day, i answered "yes" to both of the following questions.... 1 have you repented of your sins and turned around, recognizing yourself before jehovah god as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation precedes from him, the father, through his son jesus christ?.

  2 on the basis of this faith in god and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to god to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through jesus christ and through the bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?

  -- may 1, 1973 watchtower, pg 280.

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  refiners fire

  Here is the REAL reason they changed the questions....
  CONGRUENCE.

  Remember all those nice German boys who swore a PERSONAL oath to ADOLF HITLER. Not to the German nation, but to Adolf ?
  Later, when they realized Hitler was evil, their own oath came back to haunt them. "I promised Him" they all said. Convinced in their own minds they couldnt change their position,bound by their own pledge.

  The impulse not to contradict oneself, to remain congruent, is one of the BIGGEST cult control mechanisms there is.
  Just have a look at all the people on this site. All reproducing each others quotes in their argument postings . Why?
  They are looking for contradictions. Seeking to create incongruence in the other persons mind. They learnt this trick from the BORG. Now they use it against each other.

  The oath to the Org is the same thing, you cant (later) rationalize betraying the org (The org hopes)because you swore an oath of alleigance.You must remain loyal no matter what.

  They are Bastards. Where bastards are concerned, oaths are invalid.
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  For forgetmenot, my concept of god, reposted

  by seven006 in

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  firgetmenot,.

  here is a cut and paste of a post where i gave my concept of god.

  i enjoyed our conversation in chat last night and again, i appreciate your view point.

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  refiners fire

  indeed.
  Having experienced all that God is not (in a horrible religious institution that claims to BE Him) ((Evil manifesting as light))
  you are better able to comprehend what He really IS. A glimpse of it anyway. I suspect He is far more compassionate, understanding, than mortal mind can comprehend.
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  WTBTS Old publications Wanted / Forsale

  by Celtic in

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  i am able to source old wtbts publications, anyone wish to send me their 'wants list' with prices prepared to pay for said items and i'll do my best to supply your needs / requirements.. celtic

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  refiners fire

  ex witness friend of mine went to the garbage tip a couple months ago. sees these two old ladies throwing old books out of a trailer. soon as the old ladies leave he goes scrounging.4 complete original sets of WT mag from between 1902 thru 1916. some guys have all the luck.I mean,what are the odds?
  Think hes in contact with our old pal Randy about them.
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  Sydney's southern suburbs being evacuated

  by ozziepost in

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  a fresh southerly has been blowing this afternoon further worsening the problems for the southern suburbs of sydney.

  in the western suburbs the sound of fire trucks' sirens has been heard all day.

  mrs ozzie and i decided to try without the airconditioning.

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  refiners fire

  welcome to the all australian nightmare.
  hate to say this, but im glad its there,not here.